Illegal immigration may threaten health vote

Perhaps critics should look more closely at what is exactly being debated.

The propsal by the Congressional Hispanics would not lead to ANY federal dollars being spent on health care for illegal immigrants.

It is ONLY whether they should be banned from participation in a public option. If allowed they will be required to pay full premiums. They will be inneligible for any subsidy. It will not cost federal taxpayers a dime, although it at least theoretically could save taxpayers money by reducing the reliance on emergency care.

Perhaps the 'Congressional Hispanics' should explain to their constituents and everyone else why exactly illegal immigrants should be covered.

"Aztlan", my friend.

However, in a Hispanic Studies textbook, "The Mexican American Heritage" by East Los Angeles high school teacher Carlos Jimenez, Aztlán is depicted on page 84 in a redrawn map of Mexico and the United States, showing Mexico with one third more territory. On page 107, Jimenez states, "Latinos are now realizing that the powers to control Aztlán may once again be in their hands."

The textbook teaches high-school students that Mexico is supposed to regain the states of Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington and that they rightly belong to the "mythical" homeland of Aztlán.

The book contains no references or footnotes and teaches separatism, victimization and nationalism, while promoting an open border policy.

@Catch

It is ONLY whether they should be banned from participation in a public option. If allowed they will be required to pay full premiums. They will be inneligible for any subsidy. It will not cost federal taxpayers a dime, although it at least theoretically could save taxpayers money by reducing the reliance on emergency care.

How do you figure it wont cost a dime? As soon as any individual gets cancer, any other major disease or severe injury they will use way more than what they will ever pay in. They will be using federal taxpayer money.

And should they also buy into it, we will not allow them to be asked if they are illegal in any way or do anything about it. So basically we will ignore their criminal actions while providing them services.

@Tanjo

Im aware of such movements and feel that is their plan. The slow use of population growth to become the electorate and be able to take such actions within legal means. It does not seem there is much that can be done to couteract it. Democrats seem hell bent on legalizing illegal immigrants as if such concepts are complete conspiracy theories. They think it will just get them an expanded voter base that will help keep them in power.

As soon as any individual gets cancer, any other major disease or severe injury they will use way more than what they will ever pay in. They will be using federal taxpayer money.

There will not be federal taxpayer money to spend. The care will be paid with premiums just like everyone else. What you describe is true about ANY insurance, for everyone like that there will be many others who use less than they pay in - its what insurance is all about.

A quick review of the literature suggests that immigrants use less health care than other Americans.

Health care expenditures are substantially lower for immigrants than for US-born persons.

Even while using less health care, immigrants do use emergency departments disproportionately. Allowing them access to insurance for full premium cost can save money by offseting higher expenditures from other groups and averting some costly emergency care.

The care will be paid with premiums just like everyone else. What you describe is true about ANY insurance, for everyone like that there will be many others who use less than they pay in - its what insurance is all about.

Those premiums are tax payer money. And we have enough issues with people here legally that we dont need to add to the problem with people who are here illegally.

A quick review of the literature suggests that immigrants use less health care than other Americans.

We are talking about illegal immigrants, not legal immigrants. Your study, by statistical analysis, concluded that a percentage of the those in the study would be illegal, but it was of all non-US born persons, most of whom were legal.

Those premiums are tax payer money.

That is just false. Premiums are paid by individuals and not the federal tax dollars - only subsidies are paid by taxes and illegal immigrants are not eligible for them. The less health care used by a policy subscriber the more the plan saves money.

We are talking about illegal immigrants, not legal immigrants.

Yes, and illegal immigrants tend to use even less healthcare. Your point exactly? Having insurance would reduce emergency room costs.

Do you have any objective evidence to support your opinions?

That is just false. Premiums are paid by individuals and not the federal tax dollars

If your a tax payer, its tax payer money. Whether you pay it to government first or directly, its still the same group of people paying.

Yes, and illegal immigrants tend to use even less healthcare. Your point exactly? Having insurance would reduce emergency room costs.

My point was your 'evidence' was worthless because it was about all immigrants which is not what we are talking about. And we are not talking about reducing just emergency room costs but all healthcare costs. Just reducing in 1 area when it just goes up to make up for it in another area doesnt solve the problem.

Do you have any objective evidence to support your opinions?

Which opinion would that be? That I think its wrong that illegals should be covered and still be able to remain illegal? That I find it idiotic to think that you can millions of more people while cutting funds and expect costs to go down?

Do you have any to support yours?

If your a tax payer, its tax payer money. Whether you pay it to government first or directly, its still the same group of people paying.

LOL. By that "logic" EVERYTHING is paid for with tax payer money. That is totaly ridiculous, and like claiming that all insurance is paid for with tax payer money, and all cars, and that all pornography and abortions in the United States is paid for with "tax payer" money. You are playing ridiculous and meaningless semantic games.

And we are not talking about reducing just emergency room costs but all healthcare costs. Just reducing in 1 area when it just goes up to make up for it in another area doesnt solve the problem.

Not all health care in all places cost exactly the same. Emergency room costs tend to be higher than getting treatment in other locations and/or before it becomes an emergency.

My point was your 'evidence' was worthless because it was about all immigrants which is not what we are talking about.

You clearly do not understand statististics or evidence since not being exactly the same in all parameters does not make it worthless by a long stretch especially when you have no better evidence.

That I find it idiotic to think that you can millions of more people while cutting funds and expect costs to go down?

You clearly have not thought about it then. What makes you believe that allowing illegal immigrants to buy insurance at full cost somehow hurts other people? Do you even know how insurance works?

That I think its wrong that illegals should be covered and still be able to remain illegal?

Why is it "wrong" exactly?